tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post8342207271115441142..comments2023-07-15T07:55:17.044-07:00Comments on Unintelligently designed: A man's opinion on a woman's issueAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06793515258860413394noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-75026753284717711612012-08-24T09:39:36.542-07:002012-08-24T09:39:36.542-07:00And just so we are clear, I know there are other r...And just so we are clear, I know there are other reasons for taking the pill, I think a lot of them are legitimate medical reasons that should fall under illness and should be covered. The majority of women and men rely on the pill to prevent pregnancy. These people should be paying out of pocket.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255621782444585975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-7070358260414157692012-08-24T07:36:08.588-07:002012-08-24T07:36:08.588-07:00My opinion is as long as a persons money is paying...My opinion is as long as a persons money is paying for abortion services or female birth control of any sort through pubic funding, then a woman's uterus is well within that persons jurisdiction and interest. I don't want that to be the case anymore than a woman would but it is our reality as long as the public is paying the bill for a lot of these services. The best thing we can do to empower women is to make these things a direct transaction between them and their doctor with no public funding middlemen. As far as insurance covering the pill... I think it is important to first recognize the difference between insurance and healthcare. We don't need insurance to provide general supplies and routine services. Insurance is meant for unforeseen costs and like illness or traumatic events. Getting pregnant after having sex without some sort of birth control should not be a surprise to anyone, therefore it should not be covered for that reason(for this same reason abortion should also not be covered). If we are talking about medically diagnosed hormonal replacement it should be covered and as far as I know most insurance providers do indeed cover it in this case.<br /><br />Hope I didn't step on too many feminist toes with this one... though by definition I consider myself a feminist. I just have an entirely different point of view on how we need to change things.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09255621782444585975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-26883632412051524252012-08-23T23:07:05.437-07:002012-08-23T23:07:05.437-07:00So you'll waste your time constructing bad arg...So you'll waste your time constructing bad arguments? :PAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06793515258860413394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-38144648184872620732012-08-23T23:05:22.610-07:002012-08-23T23:05:22.610-07:00Dissenting opinions are vital and necessary! As l...Dissenting opinions are vital and necessary! As long as we don't resort to name calling or other stupid pettiness, I welcome being told I'm wrong. :P<br /><br />I'm not saying that men should "get a vote," though frankly I think that any issue of how the government is run belongs to every able-bodied citizen. I tend to think that, ultimately, a woman's choice to have a baby or abort the pregnancy is a personal choice, and while others in her life (male or female) may have opinions on the matter she makes the ultimate decision. I'm not arguing against the right of that mother.<br /><br />My argument is that, in public discourse, it's a bad argument to growl at a man for voicing his opinions. It's just fine to growl at anyone for being dumb. :PAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06793515258860413394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-1616462176582120692012-08-23T23:00:29.944-07:002012-08-23T23:00:29.944-07:00Makes perfect sense! While I don't feel as ic...Makes perfect sense! While I don't feel as icky at the idea of abortion, there are plenty of things that *do* make me squeamish that I feel should be permitted by the law.<br /><br />I'm tired, though I planned on saying more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06793515258860413394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-39328172341042748512012-08-23T21:31:19.235-07:002012-08-23T21:31:19.235-07:00I apologize sincerely, my last post was made in re...I apologize sincerely, my last post was made in reference to women's rights in general, not reproductive rights. I misread the picture (should NOT read facebook when in a hurry). <br /><br />To amend my previous statement - I'm afraid I have to mostly disagree with you, David. While I *do* agree that men shouldn't be left out of the argument, I don't think they should get a vote, so to speak. The burden of pregnancy, physiologically, lies with women, and therefor the responsibility and choices that go with it. <br /><br />I apologize for the dissenting opinion, I'm just so excited to see a cogent argument being made that I wanted to participate! ^_^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-83235598820790133632012-08-23T20:47:15.289-07:002012-08-23T20:47:15.289-07:00I think the heart of the problem is in your perspe...I think the heart of the problem is in your perspective. From the tone of your Argument, David, I think you see the problem more as:<br /><br />A car heading down the freeway, which is drifting into another lane. with a small correction, the car will ease back into the center of the lane and you can go on your way. <br /><br />From the perspective of most women, as this is a contest of power, I believe they see it as: <br /><br />A game of tug of war. Right now, the flag is on the men's side. In order to bring the flag back to center, the woman need to jerk harder than the men. <br /><br />While I agree that logical argument and irrefutable fact should be the core of the argument, I believe that it will take many sentiments such as this in order to balance out statements such as "legitimate rape won't result in pregnancy" or "if a husband does it to his wife, it's not rape".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-31373305625273183232012-08-23T20:20:57.940-07:002012-08-23T20:20:57.940-07:00While I admit I found the graphic above briefly am...While I admit I found the graphic above briefly amusing, I didn't repost it, because of your exact argument, David. Men are certainly allowed to have opinions on it. And as long as the discussion is civil it should be had, and men shouldn't be disregarded. I do think, however, in that men cannot possibly ever know what it's like to carry a child and what it does to your body and brain (and let me tell you, going through it right now, it's intense) that their opinion should factor less into the debate, unless men can be held to the same standards as women in the child bearing process. Paying for prenatal care, for example.<br /><br />My major problem is that I'm torn on the abortion thing; I find the procedure abhorrent, and I can't imagine ever doing it myself without causing serious psychological damage. The mere idea of the procedure makes me ill. That said, my personal disgust is no basis for a law, particularly when I've only been in the position to make the choice twice and haven't needed to. Which, I guess, is where I stand on men's voice on the issue too. Our voices should be heard and considered, and it should be an emotional issue, because it IS. But ultimately we have to protect the health and choices of others, and that's what it really boils down to, no matter who says it.<br /><br />I hope this makes sense. If not, blame the hormones...Kathrynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751287650975416038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1748939866372467642.post-20612226088933272192012-08-23T19:15:42.311-07:002012-08-23T19:15:42.311-07:00When those dickbags want to engage with logic and ...When those dickbags want to engage with logic and facts, I'll be happy to do the same. Until then, I ain't wasting my time constructing a good argument for disingenuous, lying fucksticks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09945237846384318979noreply@blogger.com